When I say "alphabetical order", I mean "alphabetical order"

When I say “alphabetical order”, I mean “alphabetical order” Last month I have been on a multi-day hike with my dad. Each of us took many pictures, and when we came back we put them all in a shared folder. We both have Android phones, and the naming scheme used for our pictures was the same: IMG_YYYYMMDD_HHmmss followed maybe by some other numbers and then a .jpg . Here YYYY stands for the year, MM for month and so on, so that sorting the pictures in alphabetical order is the same as sorting them by date. Or so I thought. Strangely, when I looked at the files from my dad’s Windows PC, they were not sorted correctly: all the pictures took with my phone came first, followed by all the pictures took by him. I thought this was surely some weird Microsoft bug - after using Windows 11 at work for a while, I would not be surprised if you told me their file explorer can’t figure out how to sort strings. But then I looked at the same files in a shared Google Drive folder, and again they were in the wrong order: As you can see, the picture taken at 5:54 (with my dad’s phone) comes before the one taken at 9:20 (also with my dad’s phone), but after the one taken at 12:11 (with my phone). Weird. Well, maybe Microsoft and Google got this wrong. But that seems unlikely. Indeed, KDE’s Dolphin file manager does the same thing: I’ll spare you the screenshots, but Gnome and both the file managers that I have on my phone also get the alphabetical order wrong. At this point I thought that maybe one of the two phones is using some weird alternative unicode character instead of the underscore _ . Really, I could not see any other explanation. But nope, this is not it, because the good old ls sorts my files correctly: $ ls -l total 218572 -rw-r--r-- 1 seba seba 1866185 Aug 28 18:51 IMG_20250820_055436307.jpg -rw-r--r-- 1 seba seba 4749899 Aug 28 18:50 IMG_20250820_092016029_HDR.jpg -rw-r--r-- 1 seba seba 6201609 Aug 28 18:52 IMG_20250820_092440966_HDR.jpg -rw-r--r-- 1 seba seba 7694802 Aug 28 18:51 IMG_20250820_092832138_HDR.jpg -rw-r--r-- 1 seba seba 1536520 Aug 20 09:57 IMG_20250820_095716_607.jpg -rw-r--r-- 1 seba seba 1054553 Aug 20 10:38 IMG_20250820_103857_991.jpg -rw-r--r-- 1 seba seba 965353 Aug 20 10:39 IMG_20250820_103903_811.jpg (and so on) This was consistent among the couple of Linux distros I use, as well as my OpenBSD server. On the one hand this is good: not every single piece of software fucks up something as basic as string sorting. On the other hand, this makes it harder to debug what the fuck is going on with all the other file managers. It took me more than a month to figure this one out. Tell me, which file do you think comes first in alphabetical order, file-9.txt or file-10.txt ? Of course, the user who named those files probably wants file-9.txt to come before file-10.txt . But 1 is smaller than 9 , so file-10.txt should be first in alphabetical order. Everyone understands that, and soon people learn to put enough leading zeros if they want their files to stay sorted the way they like. Well, apparently all these operating systems have decided that no, users are too dumb and they cannot possibly understand what alphabetical order means. So when you ask them to sort your files alphabetically, they don’t. Instead, they decide that if some piece of the file name is a number, the real numerical value must be used. I don’t know when this became the norm, to be honest I have not used a normal graphical file manager in a long time. I know you asked for the files to be sorted in alphabetical order, but you don’t want file-10.txt to come before file-9.txt , do you? No, I know you don’t. I am not even going to ask you, your mushy human brain is too small to comprehend the intricacies of such a question. I’ll spare you the thinking. So it turns out that my dad’s phone wrote the milliseconds in the file name right after the seconds, while mine added an extra underscore to separate them from the seconds. Which in my mind it should not have mattered, because alphabetically they should still have been sorted correctly to the second. But with this “modern” interpretation of the alphabetical order, the files without the extra separator in the name had a much higher number, so they come last. Now that I know what the issue is, I can solve it by renaming the files with a consistent scheme. I have also found a setting to fix Dolphin’s behavior, but it was very much buried into its many configuration options. And I would rather not have to change this setting in every application I use, assuming they even allow it. I miss the time when computers did what you told them to, instead of trying to read your mind.