Baratunde Thurston chats with the retired four-star general on the responsibility of leaders today. What does it mean to be a courageous leader in 2025? Stanley McChrystal, retired four-star general in the U.S. Army, joins futurist and culture critic Baratunde Thurston to discuss McChrystal’s new book, On Character, the responsibility of leaders today, and the weight of being an active citizen in democracy. Considering President Trump’s deployment of the National Guard, McChrystal explores the role of the military in civil society.